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I don't want to get too controversial here and I know that this is super contested, but is it possible that an earthquake caused the fall of the Greek bronze age? How can such a powerful empire collapsed as a result of the environment? I mean just look at this architecture... Thoughts?

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The Bronze Age collapse is a hot topic. First, historians don't agree as to when it collapsed. Second, people can't agree if it was a natural event, like the earthquake you speak of, that caused it or if it correlated with foreign invasion. Some historians adopt a "one or the other" mindset, others think it was a combination of factors. I've even seen that some speculate that there may have been a plague that contributed. Some researchers have traced the infamous bubonic plague as originating in the Greek Bronze Age.
 
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Don't underestimate the power of mother nature! I don't doubt that an earthquake played a role, but my guess is that it was a combination of a lot of things. Most of them environmental, there's a lot of speculation that there was also many droughts happening at the time. So all these compounding factors could've had a big impact on the civilization.
 
All of these answers could be true. But I do think that such a strong civilization could only fall from an attack. There are many accounts of tribes “from the sea” or “sea people” that were attacking nearby regions at the time.
 
I don't want to get too controversial here and I know that this is super contested, but is it possible that an earthquake caused the fall of the Greek bronze age? How can such a powerful empire collapsed as a result of the environment? I mean just look at this architecture... Thoughts?

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Good morning, We have our first visit to Greece scheduled in November and I have been watching some DVD lectures from The Great Courses. Professor McInerny of University of Pennsylvania discussed the end of Bronze Age in one of his lectures. According to him , although there was a massive volcanic eruption on an island about 200 miles north of Crete ( Thera if I recall correctly) there is archaeological evidence that the Minoan settlements on the northern coast of Crete rebuilt after the damage from that event. Professor McInerny theorized that the eruption may have caused substantial damage to Minoan Cretan naval power and economic power but did not end Bronze Age Greek civilization. Based on pottery finds, supposedly Minoan Crete declined several centuries after that volcanic eruption on Thera and Mycenae went into decline even later. I am not a shill for The Great Courses but I do enjoy learning about places before visiting them and recommend combining watching lectures while exercising on the treadmill.
 

History of the Greek bailouts/financial crisis?

I'm reaching out to tap into our collective knowledge regarding a significant episode in recent economic history — the Greek financial crisis and the bailouts that followed. This period, marked by severe economic downturns, austerity measures, and complex international negotiations, has had long-lasting implications not only for Greece but for the European Union as a whole. Some things:
  1. Origins: What were the primary causes that led to the Greek financial crisis? How did Greece's economic conditions prior to the crisis contribute to its severity?
  2. Bailout Measures: Could someone explain the specifics of the bailout agreements? How were the terms negotiated, and what were the conditions placed on Greece in exchange for the financial assistance?
  3. Impact on Greece and the EU: What have been the short and long-term effects of the bailouts on the Greek economy and its citizens? Additionally, how has this crisis influenced the policies and economic strategies within the broader European Union?
The reason I am asking is that I got into a debate with someone before having my facts straight and the conversation didn't go well for me lol.

Learning about the Spartan way of life

I find the Spartans fascinating. They seemed to have a different way of life!

The Spartans, known for their military might, also led a lifestyle that was remarkably disciplined and focused on simplicity.

The core of Spartan society was its military-oriented ethos. From a young age, Spartan boys were trained to be soldiers in the agoge, a rigorous education system that emphasized physical training, endurance, and survival skills. This preparation was not just about warfare but about creating individuals who were resilient, self-sufficient, and disciplined.

But Spartan discipline extended beyond the military sphere. Spartans lived a life of austerity and frugality that is quite alien to our modern way of living. Meals were simple, homes were unadorned, and luxuries were frowned upon. This was not out of a lack of resources but a deliberate choice to avoid softness and dependency on material comforts.

Interestingly, this Spartan simplicity also fostered a sense of equality among citizens. By eschewing luxury, Spartans aimed to reduce divisions within their society. Wealth and status were downplayed, while military prowess and moral integrity were valued above all.

What do you guys think about this or what can you add to my thinking?

Learning about Greek Independence Day

March 25th marks a significant celebration in Greece, but I realize my knowledge on its historical context is quite limited.

From what I understand, this day commemorates the start of the War of Greek Independence in 1821, where Greece sought to end several centuries of Ottoman rule. However, I'm eager to learn more about the intricacies of this period, the key figures involved, and how the struggle for independence unfolded over time.

Additionally, I'd be interested in understanding how this day is celebrated across Greece today and whether any particular traditions are tied to it. For example, are there specific ceremonies, parades, or family traditions that uniquely mark this day in Greek culture?


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Learning about the history of the Olympics

It's an Olympics year so I decided to learn a little bit about it.

Specifically, I'm drawn to its roots in Greece, where it all began. The tales from Olympia, where athletes from city-states across Ancient Greece competed, not just for glory but for the favor of the gods, paint a vivid picture of society's value system and cultural priorities at the time.

Yet, despite the bits and pieces of information I've gathered, I realize there's so much more depth and nuance to understand about how these games influenced, and were influenced by, Greek society and beyond. From the types of events that were held, the athletes who competed, to the very ethos that powered these competitions - each element seems to carry its own story.
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