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I’ve always wondered — why do Greeks use béchamel sauce in dishes like moussaka and pastitsio? It’s a classic French white sauce, and yet it’s such a staple in what we now consider traditional Greek cuisine.

Was it introduced during a specific historical period or influence? I’ve heard that Nikolaos Tselementes, a famous Greek chef from the early 20th century, might have had something to do with it — possibly trying to “elevate” or modernize Greek food by incorporating French techniques. But how did it stick so thoroughly? Now, a Greek dish doesn’t feel complete without that creamy béchamel layer! Also, is it true that he brought French elements into Greek cuisine?

How as this received, if that's the case?
 
Nikolaos Tselementes (1878–1958) was a revolutionary Greek chef and food writer who trained in France and brought French culinary techniques into Greek cooking. In 1932, he published the first comprehensive Greek cookbook, Οδηγός Μαγειρικής και Ζαχαροπλαστικής (Cooking and Pastry Guide), which became wildly influential. It was reprinted dozens of times and became a household staple—so much so that older generations still refer to any cookbook as a “Tselementes.”

At the time, many Greeks welcomed these changes as part of a broader desire to modernize and Europeanize Greek culture, especially in the wake of independence from the Ottoman Empire. Tselementes was a culinary symbol of that shift — bringing perceived sophistication to home cooking.





That said, not everyone was thrilled. Some traditionalists felt it distanced Greek cuisine from its more Middle Eastern and Balkan roots, but the new style stuck. Today, the béchamel-topped versions have become so normalized that most Greeks view them as authentically Greek.
 
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You’re right, the widespread use of béchamel in Greek dishes can be traced largely to Nikolaos Tselementes, a hugely influential Greek chef and cookbook author in the early 20th century. Before him, moussaka and pastitsio were made without the creamy topping we know today. Tselementes, inspired by his training in France, incorporated French techniques like béchamel to give Greek dishes what he saw as a more “refined” and European style.

At the time, Greece was looking toward Western Europe culturally, so his ideas caught on quickly, especially among urban households. Over time, the béchamel layer became so ingrained that most people now see it as essential to these recipes.

Some traditionalists initially saw this as a departure from more rustic, Ottoman-influenced Greek cooking, but it proved incredibly popular. Today, it’s hard to imagine moussaka or pastitsio without that rich, custardy béchamel crown, a French technique turned Greek classic.
 

Do you put potatoes in your briam?

I've noticed that there are quite a few variations of briam, especially when it comes to which vegetables people include. One ingredient I'm particularly curious about is potatoes. Do you always put potatoes in your briam, or do you prefer making it without them?

I usually think of briam as a combination of zucchini, eggplant, potatoes, tomatoes, onions, and plenty of olive oil. I love how the potatoes absorb all those wonderful flavors as everything slowly roasts together in the oven.

However, I've seen recipes that leave the potatoes out entirely and focus more on the summer vegetables. I imagine that makes the dish a little lighter.

I'm also curious whether there are regional differences in how briam is prepared throughout Greece. Does your family have a particular way of making it? And what vegetables do you consider absolutely essential?

Is lamb or beef more traditional for giouvetsi?

I've been looking into traditional Greek giouvetsi recipes lately, and I'm curious about which meat is considered the most traditional. I've seen recipes that use lamb, others that call for beef, and even some that use chicken.

I love the idea of slowly cooking the meat in a rich tomato sauce with orzo until everything becomes tender and flavorful. However, I'm wondering whether lamb or beef would be the more authentic choice.

Is one traditionally preferred in certain regions of Greece? I've read that lamb is often associated with older Greek recipes, but beef seems to be very common in modern versions of giouvetsi.

I'm also curious whether the choice of meat changes the way the dish is prepared. Does lamb require different seasonings or cooking times than beef?

For those familiar with traditional Greek cooking, which version do you prefer, and which would you recommend trying first?

Greek cooking without a recipe?

I've been thinking about how much traditional Greek cooking relies on instinct rather than following exact recipes. Some of the Greek dishes I learned to make were taught to me by feel, with someone showing me what to do rather than measuring everything out.

I actually enjoy cooking this way, but I've noticed that it can make certain dishes difficult to recreate consistently! Sometimes everything comes together perfectly, and other times I wonder what I did differently.

I'm curious how others approach this. Did you learn Greek cooking by watching your yiayia, mother, or other relatives? Do you measure ingredients, or do you just know when something looks, smells, or tastes right?

What is the secret to making really good Greek lemon potatoes?

I've been making Greek lemon potatoes for years, and it's one of those dishes I make completely by feel. I don't measure anything, and I never really thought about how I make them because it's all second nature to me.

Recently, I tried teaching someone how to make them. Everything seemed straightforward while we were cooking together, but when they went home and tried making them on their own, all kinds of things went wrong! The potatoes weren't cooking evenly, the texture wasn't quite right, and the lemon flavor didn't come through the way it should.

It made me realize how much I rely on instinct when cooking traditional Greek food. I rarely write down recipes, so explaining every little detail is harder than I expected!

For those who make Greek lemon potatoes regularly, what tips would you give someone who's just learning?

Do you make Greek lentil soup with vinegar

I’ve always made fakes with a splash of vinegar, either stirred into the pot near the end or added individually at the table. To me, that little bit of acidity is part of what makes the soup taste right, especially with the earthy lentils, olive oil, onion, garlic, and bay leaf.

But I have a Greek friend who makes hers very differently. She doesn’t use vinegar at all and instead adds quite a lot of tomato product, so her version is much redder and more tomato-forward than mine.

Now I’m curious about what is considered more traditional in Greek cooking. Is vinegar usually a standard part of fakes, or is it more of a regional or family preference? Are tomato-heavy versions just as traditional?

How do you make yours, and what did your family serve growing up?
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